Comments on: What it’s Like to Prepare for an “Invasion”? http://thesugarcubes.net/2006/06/27/what-its-like-to-prepare-for-an-invasion/ Just another WordPress weblog Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:03:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: osaid http://thesugarcubes.net/2006/06/27/what-its-like-to-prepare-for-an-invasion/#comment-432 osaid Sun, 02 Jul 2006 05:20:12 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/?p=261#comment-432 The kidnapped soldier should infact be released. The kidnapped soldier should infact be released.

]]> By: The Forces Of Mordor Enter Gaza at The Black Iris of Jordan http://thesugarcubes.net/2006/06/27/what-its-like-to-prepare-for-an-invasion/#comment-431 The Forces Of Mordor Enter Gaza at The Black Iris of Jordan Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:18:49 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/?p=261#comment-431 [...] Lastly (on the side) only a few Jordanian bloggers have been blogging about any of this and I have to say I’m a bit disappointed. I’m not chastising anyone (everyone’s free to do what they like) I’m just…disappointed. Elmo Loves to Share...These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] [...] Lastly (on the side) only a few Jordanian bloggers have been blogging about any of this and I have to say I’m a bit disappointed. I’m not chastising anyone (everyone’s free to do what they like) I’m just…disappointed. Elmo Loves to Share…These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

]]> By: Hamzeh N. http://thesugarcubes.net/2006/06/27/what-its-like-to-prepare-for-an-invasion/#comment-430 Hamzeh N. Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:44:46 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/?p=261#comment-430 It doesn't really matter what he thinks. Even inside Palestine if the captors do that they can use it in the future against Abbas and the like by saying "we gave you the criminals in the past to prosecute them in palestinian courts and you didn't even care to entertain that thought and instead just released them back while you know the other side won't do the same". Of course the answer from the other side then is going to be "it wouldn't have happened anyway, they would have forced them free", but that is also irrelevant because the real advantage is in setting the precident and the mood in future negotiations that Palestinians do have to deal with Israeli criminals participating in illegal occupation activities and that just as Israel can arrest palestinians who do illegal stuff in Israel, Israelies who do illegal stuff in Palestine aren't exempt from detention either. It doesn’t really matter what he thinks. Even inside Palestine if the captors do that they can use it in the future against Abbas and the like by saying “we gave you the criminals in the past to prosecute them in palestinian courts and you didn’t even care to entertain that thought and instead just released them back while you know the other side won’t do the same”. Of course the answer from the other side then is going to be “it wouldn’t have happened anyway, they would have forced them free”, but that is also irrelevant because the real advantage is in setting the precident and the mood in future negotiations that Palestinians do have to deal with Israeli criminals participating in illegal occupation activities and that just as Israel can arrest palestinians who do illegal stuff in Israel, Israelies who do illegal stuff in Palestine aren’t exempt from detention either.

]]> By: Shaden http://thesugarcubes.net/2006/06/27/what-its-like-to-prepare-for-an-invasion/#comment-429 Shaden Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:02:50 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/?p=261#comment-429 <strong>Hamzeh</strong>, from <em>my </em>job experience, I think that we have too many inside conflicts to focus on the enemy and do what you've suggested! Prisident Abbas seems to care less about what Palestinians really want, but rather he's concerned about getting the whole thing over ASAP! Hamzeh, from my job experience, I think that we have too many inside conflicts to focus on the enemy and do what you’ve suggested! Prisident Abbas seems to care less about what Palestinians really want, but rather he’s concerned about getting the whole thing over ASAP!

]]> By: Hamzeh http://thesugarcubes.net/2006/06/27/what-its-like-to-prepare-for-an-invasion/#comment-428 Hamzeh Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:53:45 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/?p=261#comment-428 If his captors are smart, they will realize that this guy will be free and the most they could wish for out of his capture is to make a good clear message. That message can be made if they deliver this Israeli person to the Palestinian authorities and file a claim against him saying that he trespassed on Palestinian land in the past and participated in illegal occupation activities in the Palestinian side of the borders. Then, the Palestinian authorities can either succumb to the pressure of Israel and let him go, or they can try as much as they can to play along with the same game by holding him in detention for a while until they can put him in court and have the prosecutor present evidence against him. This really will not result in a trial or anything. It will simply result in a story exchanged by the press that the Palestinians are trying to pursue Israeli occupation soldiers in Palestinian courts, something that is definitely a first, but that will definitely be hushed by all the media here in the US as it doesn't help to present palestinians in a more civilized manner than that which they usually managed to present themselves with in the past (random militancy). However, forgetting the media, this gives Palestinian negotiators one more thing to talk about the next time they sit down with Israelies. It gives them the opportunity to tell the Israelies "ok, you take whatever prisoners you want who infiltrate Israel, but we also need to be able to take prisoners who infiltrate our land too." Israelies might not like that and might try to go around it in negotiations. Or they might commit the mistake of saying "ok" thinking that they have the upper hand in that Palestinians will never be able to capture the heavily armed Israeli occupation soldiers. But that still will give Palestinians an advantage over what they have today because in that case Palestinians can say in the future "well you are harboring criminals that are currently wanted in Palestinian courts and your soldiers helped them escape, your security forces are not helping us cooperate". These things are examples of the million of small things that Palestinians should be saying and doing to slowly change the ryhthem with which this conflict moves forward. Take it from me as I've learnt this from working here in a company that has nothing to do with real politics. The politics at work say that even if you think you're not gonna get what you want, you have to say it, and pursue it, just to establish that demand and add it to the list of requirements that you have so that you can make it harder in the future for the other side to give you less. The more you demand and the more they ignore, the harder they can ignore more stuff in the future. If his captors are smart, they will realize that this guy will be free and the most they could wish for out of his capture is to make a good clear message. That message can be made if they deliver this Israeli person to the Palestinian authorities and file a claim against him saying that he trespassed on Palestinian land in the past and participated in illegal occupation activities in the Palestinian side of the borders.

Then, the Palestinian authorities can either succumb to the pressure of Israel and let him go, or they can try as much as they can to play along with the same game by holding him in detention for a while until they can put him in court and have the prosecutor present evidence against him.

This really will not result in a trial or anything. It will simply result in a story exchanged by the press that the Palestinians are trying to pursue Israeli occupation soldiers in Palestinian courts, something that is definitely a first, but that will definitely be hushed by all the media here in the US as it doesn’t help to present palestinians in a more civilized manner than that which they usually managed to present themselves with in the past (random militancy).

However, forgetting the media, this gives Palestinian negotiators one more thing to talk about the next time they sit down with Israelies. It gives them the opportunity to tell the Israelies “ok, you take whatever prisoners you want who infiltrate Israel, but we also need to be able to take prisoners who infiltrate our land too.”

Israelies might not like that and might try to go around it in negotiations. Or they might commit the mistake of saying “ok” thinking that they have the upper hand in that Palestinians will never be able to capture the heavily armed Israeli occupation soldiers. But that still will give Palestinians an advantage over what they have today because in that case Palestinians can say in the future “well you are harboring criminals that are currently wanted in Palestinian courts and your soldiers helped them escape, your security forces are not helping us cooperate”.

These things are examples of the million of small things that Palestinians should be saying and doing to slowly change the ryhthem with which this conflict moves forward.

Take it from me as I’ve learnt this from working here in a company that has nothing to do with real politics. The politics at work say that even if you think you’re not gonna get what you want, you have to say it, and pursue it, just to establish that demand and add it to the list of requirements that you have so that you can make it harder in the future for the other side to give you less. The more you demand and the more they ignore, the harder they can ignore more stuff in the future.

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