Comments on: In the Name of Honor aka Ignorance http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:46:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: hiutopor http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1101 hiutopor Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:45:12 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1101 Hello Very interesting information! Thanks! Bye Hello

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]]> By: Shaden http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1095 Shaden Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:27:44 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1095 <b>John</b>, I thought about your question: "why is having sex such a big deal in Arabic culture?" and you know what, I really don't know, but it might be helpful to know that it's not sex as much as it's any kind of relationship with males. Maybe it has to do with the stupid ego of men, being territorial and just primitive if you know what I mean. For example, my reputation can and will suffer if I announce my relationships (the mere talking to guys) or if I was spotted by certain people with a guy(s). John, I thought about your question: “why is having sex such a big deal in Arabic culture?” and you know what, I really don’t know, but it might be helpful to know that it’s not sex as much as it’s any kind of relationship with males. Maybe it has to do with the stupid ego of men, being territorial and just primitive if you know what I mean. For example, my reputation can and will suffer if I announce my relationships (the mere talking to guys) or if I was spotted by certain people with a guy(s).

]]> By: john http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1097 john Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:36:50 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1097 I shouldn't speak for Arablady, but it is perfectly normal to be very angry and critical of something that is yours and that you love (in her case Arab society). I found her wholey unapologetic view of the ills of Arab culture refreshing - I find myself thinking in similar ways about western culture. She may have a great family, but her post gives a voice to all the women who /are/ petrified of their "loving" families, and essentially has a ring of truth (even tho she may not be in that position herself -- it's tough to know what exactly her situation is, and it doesn't /really/ matter). Islam in this case is a red herring, this does happen in many cultures (and doesn't happen in all Muslim cultures!) her point is (I reckon) that it's a cancer in ARABIC society and it needs to be dealt with. Last point, why oh why is having sex such a big deal in Arabic culture?? (seriously, I would like to hear some answers about that!!) It seems Arabs are too obsessed with and paranoid about sex. I shouldn’t speak for Arablady, but it is perfectly normal to be very angry and critical of something that is yours and that you love (in her case Arab society).

I found her wholey unapologetic view of the ills of Arab culture refreshing - I find myself thinking in similar ways about western culture.

She may have a great family, but her post gives a voice to all the women who /are/ petrified of their “loving” families, and essentially has a ring of truth (even tho she may not be in that position herself — it’s tough to know what exactly her situation is, and it doesn’t /really/ matter).

Islam in this case is a red herring, this does happen in many cultures (and doesn’t happen in all Muslim cultures!) her point is (I reckon) that it’s a cancer in ARABIC society and it needs to be dealt with.

Last point, why oh why is having sex such a big deal in Arabic culture?? (seriously, I would like to hear some answers about that!!) It seems Arabs are too obsessed with and paranoid about sex.

]]> By: Shaden http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1100 Shaden Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:31:55 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1100 You know I think most of our problems stem from the fact that we care too much about what other people think. It might seem related to beliefs, but really it isn't because both the religious who knows he must not kill his daughter even if she committed adultery and the other guy who doesn't even believe in God will have the same reaction to such a thing. Those men were told that it's disgraceful to their honor since they were kids in more than one way , and what they see is not a girl meeting a guy, but a girl ****** by a guy infront of everyone they know, and it's very insulting and degrading to their manhood that they couldn't prevent it even though ever since that girl was a child they've been trying to protect her from the prostitute inside her! What is even more disturbing is that they've been fed this shit by their moms too, and this is one thing I just can't understand. You know I think most of our problems stem from the fact that we care too much about what other people think. It might seem related to beliefs, but really it isn’t because both the religious who knows he must not kill his daughter even if she committed adultery and the other guy who doesn’t even believe in God will have the same reaction to such a thing. Those men were told that it’s disgraceful to their honor since they were kids in more than one way , and what they see is not a girl meeting a guy, but a girl ****** by a guy infront of everyone they know, and it’s very insulting and degrading to their manhood that they couldn’t prevent it even though ever since that girl was a child they’ve been trying to protect her from the prostitute inside her!

What is even more disturbing is that they’ve been fed this shit by their moms too, and this is one thing I just can’t understand.

]]> By: Shaden http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1099 Shaden Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:06:15 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1099 <b>John</b>, Jordan is not a liberal country by the western definition of the word, we're still conservative in general (Amman is somehow an exception, you have a mix of everything, liberals, lost souls and moderates) but not fanatic! honor crimes still happen in some parts of the country away from the capital where simple people with simple minds live. Simple minds=dangerously ignorant. John, Jordan is not a liberal country by the western definition of the word, we’re still conservative in general (Amman is somehow an exception, you have a mix of everything, liberals, lost souls and moderates) but not fanatic! honor crimes still happen in some parts of the country away from the capital where simple people with simple minds live. Simple minds=dangerously ignorant.

]]> By: Shaden http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1098 Shaden Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:59:47 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1098 Arab lady, in reply to your post: http://arablady.blogspot.com/2007/01/i-woke-up-this-morning-trying-to-be.html please know that honor killings are not exclusive to Muslims, they were committed by Christians before but the reason why the number of Muslim killers is more is because Christians are a minority in Jordan as well as the Arab world. Now I don't know why do you say you're frightened, do you think you're in danger? and if so why? you said and I quote: <blockquote>Where is the law to protect us from being slaughtered by brothers, fathers, and family members? Let’s assume that she was a whore, so what? It’s her life.</blockquote> <blockquote>I dunno when its my turn to be shot in head by my brother… I know its soon but I should escape before that day comes… To all Women: we can’t change their culture so lets escape before the slaughter day… Take care coz you will never know when your brother or father will shoot you to death.. With Love, Frightened Arab Lady</blockquote> I'm sorry but I think you're exaggerating, you refer to culture as your brothers' and fathers' and not yours, I know you're angry but this culture is yours as much as it's theirs and this should be why you're pissed off and eager to change what is wrong about it. You say you're afraid of when your turn comes and your brother shoot you, and you wanna run, but what I see is an unknown girl with an Internet connection describing herself as: "Arab female trying to survive in the ARAB CULTURE" while she leads a perfectly normal life, has a loving supportive family but for some reason HATES the Arab culture and Muslims. This is not the right way to support women and their rights, if you think playing the victim's role will help anyone please stop because what you're doing is making your father and brothers, and literally every single man you know look like a beast, but mainly it's you who's hurt and it's you who is consumed and controlled by all those negative feelings you have. If you're really frightened, and you think that you may actually get killed by your family if they ever see you with a guy, think well then if you still think it's a possibility (even though from reading your posts it doesn't look like you're suffering in anyway, but of course I might be wrong)so anyway, if you still think it's a possibility, then weigh your options and be wise about it. You seem like a nice girl who has a really good family, don't lose them over something unworthy. I hope you don't take anything personally. Arab lady, in reply to your post: http://arablady.blogspot.com/2007/01/i-woke-up-this-morning-trying-to-be.html
please know that honor killings are not exclusive to Muslims, they were committed by Christians before but the reason why the number of Muslim killers is more is because Christians are a minority in Jordan as well as the Arab world. Now I don’t know why do you say you’re frightened, do you think you’re in danger? and if so why? you said and I quote:

Where is the law to protect us from being slaughtered by brothers, fathers, and family members?
Let’s assume that she was a whore, so what? It’s her life.

I dunno when its my turn to be shot in head by my brother… I know its soon but I should escape before that day comes…

To all Women: we can’t change their culture so lets escape before the slaughter day…
Take care coz you will never know when your brother or father will shoot you to death..

With Love,
Frightened Arab Lady

I’m sorry but I think you’re exaggerating, you refer to culture as your brothers’ and fathers’ and not yours, I know you’re angry but this culture is yours as much as it’s theirs and this should be why you’re pissed off and eager to change what is wrong about it. You say you’re afraid of when your turn comes and your brother shoot you, and you wanna run, but what I see is an unknown girl with an Internet connection describing herself as: “Arab female trying to survive in the ARAB CULTURE” while she leads a perfectly normal life, has a loving supportive family but for some reason HATES the Arab culture and Muslims. This is not the right way to support women and their rights, if you think playing the victim’s role will help anyone please stop because what you’re doing is making your father and brothers, and literally every single man you know look like a beast, but mainly it’s you who’s hurt and it’s you who is consumed and controlled by all those negative feelings you have. If you’re really frightened, and you think that you may actually get killed by your family if they ever see you with a guy, think well then if you still think it’s a possibility (even though from reading your posts it doesn’t look like you’re suffering in anyway, but of course I might be wrong)so anyway, if you still think it’s a possibility, then weigh your options and be wise about it. You seem like a nice girl who has a really good family, don’t lose them over something unworthy.

I hope you don’t take anything personally.

]]> By: john http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1096 john Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:44:23 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1096 I am shocked, I thought Jordan was a reasonably liberal country by Middle Eastern standards... I agree with Arab Lady and Omar. It continues to happen because people let it happen and passively stand by (the punishment seems to be similar to tax evasion...). This reminds me of similar stories from Saudi, where heinous crimes against women go pretty much unpunished. I can only imagine the hellish realities that too many women have to live through. ... Interestingly, women in Indonesia have been increasingly making their voices known on women's rights issues - and now for example laws banning polygany are being mooted, some politicians and Muslim preachers have been outed and shamed for polyganous practices. It's sounds about time similar movements started growing in the Middle East. I am shocked, I thought Jordan was a reasonably liberal country by Middle Eastern standards…

I agree with Arab Lady and Omar. It continues to happen because people let it happen and passively stand by (the punishment seems to be similar to tax evasion…).

This reminds me of similar stories from Saudi, where heinous crimes against women go pretty much unpunished.

I can only imagine the hellish realities that too many women have to live through.

…

Interestingly, women in Indonesia have been increasingly making their voices known on women’s rights issues - and now for example laws banning polygany are being mooted, some politicians and Muslim preachers have been outed and shamed for polyganous practices. It’s sounds about time similar movements started growing in the Middle East.

]]> By: OmAr http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1091 OmAr Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:47:35 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1091 Why does this continue to take place in Jordan? Well, simply because the cop who'll take the honor-seeker murderer to jail, the judge who'll issue the punishment, the officer at the police station, the driver of the police car, the neighbor next door, the guy standing by watching him getting caught, the one who'll write the article in the newspaper, the Friday Imam, his father, grandfather, male cousins, relatives, and practically EVERYONE in Jordan would do the same thing if they were in his shoes! And simply because he who won't actually pull the trigger will pull it every single day in other ways that would make his daughter wish that he pulled it the first time. It's because 99% of Jordanians cannot stand the sight of their female relatives merely talking to any male stranger. This is why this continue to happen in Jordan. Why does this continue to take place in Jordan? Well, simply because the cop who’ll take the honor-seeker murderer to jail, the judge who’ll issue the punishment, the officer at the police station, the driver of the police car, the neighbor next door, the guy standing by watching him getting caught, the one who’ll write the article in the newspaper, the Friday Imam, his father, grandfather, male cousins, relatives, and practically EVERYONE in Jordan would do the same thing if they were in his shoes! And simply because he who won’t actually pull the trigger will pull it every single day in other ways that would make his daughter wish that he pulled it the first time. It’s because 99% of Jordanians cannot stand the sight of their female relatives merely talking to any male stranger. This is why this continue to happen in Jordan.

]]> By: kinzi http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1092 kinzi Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:06:09 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1092 It has got to stop. It has got to stop.

]]> By: Arab Lady http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-1094 Arab Lady Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:59:52 +0000 http://thesugarcubes.net/2007/01/26/in-the-name-of-honor-aka-ignorance/#comment-1094 Agressive women movement is needed to make law makers in Jordan wake up ...Wake up plzzz Agressive women movement is needed to make law makers in Jordan wake up …Wake up plzzz

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